Dennis Hof’s 2nd response to me on the BBB

 

Update:

Dennis Hof just posted another response to me on the BBB (Better Business Bureau) website. Here is what he wrote:

 

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On June 11, 2014, the business provided the following information:

Wu we answer your mail. SCAM is a very serious word and we don’t think so.

If a client has a issue with our girls we here about it right away not months later. You threatened us, you said bad things about my company. You also use illegal criminal types and third world examples re price and service, we are a nearly 60 year old company and we are known for quality girls girls. We don to believe you are credible or you would have said something on the spot, NOTHING TWISTED YOU ARM, YOU A MAN AND YOU MADE THE PURCHASE. This is not a shirt you can return.

You say sex in america is $200, maybe in the illegal criminal world you have felt with, THIS IS LEGAL, you want 2 girls and you wanted to rebook and rebook and keep the party going , thats costs money. There is no place you are going to get 2 girls featured in Penthouse magazine to party the you, much less for a$200 Get real!!!!

Force Trickery, this is lie, there were witnesses!! You wanted more and they gave you more.

You didn’t agree to that price? Lie, you signed the credit card slips with witnesses.

You have been here before, you know we are legal and you know we have quality.

If you decide to return in the next 3 months, i will charge you half price with the girl you decide to party with.

Next time stay within your budget mr wu.

My response:

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Again, the business did NOT propose a resolution, only a fictitious story to try to pit the blame on me falsely without considering what I had to say. Mr. Hof was not there and is continuing to spin a false story to deter blame away from them. Well sorry Mr. Hof, but darkness cannot stand the light of truth. You’ve failed to cover up and hide the the real truth of the matter.

You also lie when you say you answer my email. You do not. You only wrote me back once the first time I emailed you but it was obvious you didn’t know what happened, so I explained it to you calmly in great detail, hoping to appeal to your reason. You ignored me after that completely.

I DID stay within my budget, Mr. Hof. That’s why I REFUSED to pay $1000 when they declared their price. That’s when they decided to resort to trickery to get what they wanted. An honest girl would have just parted ways.

FYI, again, I did NOT rebook or agree to pay $1500. The deal was for $300 for on hour. That was the agreement. I swear it.

At first, they wanted at least $1000. That’s why I was going to leave. But the girls did not want me to leave. They had to get at least $1000 out of me, and were willing to use trickery, lies and deceit to get it. And that’s exactly what they did. I swear to God.

So they offered $300 for “everything I wanted” they said. The deal was $300 for one hour of sex. That’s what the price has always been, and what I paid before. But they did NOT keep that deal. After a few minutes of foreplay and warm up, they stopped and began charging me $400 every 10 or 15 minutes.

That’s how they forced me into paying $1500, which I was UNWILLING to pay, against my will. No way was I gonna pay that, so they had to trick me by charging me in increments, and lying about the $300 deal.

Do you understand? I am tired of explaining this to you so many times Mr. Hof.

Sex in America is not worth $1000. It is worth $200. That is the standard price and has been for many years. You know that.

It is NOT true that sex is only cheaper in third world countries. Mr. Hof, you’ve been to Holland and you acknowledged that sex there cost $50. You told the girls at your strip club about it. One of them told me. Holland, Germany and Poland are NOT third world countries. So stop trying to use false comparisons.

Sex is not worth $1000, Mr. Hof. Everyone knows that. Stop trying to deny that. 99.99 percent of guys would never pay $1000 for sex, even if they were wealthy. It’s simply not worth that kind of price at all. They could use that money to just go overseas and have a much better experience with bar girls or working girls abroad, at normal reasonable rates.

FACT: Your staff definitely did SCAM me. That is a 100 percent fact that I will swear to. It’s obvious to anyone too.

You do not look credible Mr. Hof. I do. I am very authentic, down to earth, sincere, intellectual, truthful, and no-nonsense. Anyone who hears me speak or sees me will attest to that. There are podcasts and videos of me available publicly.

I also have many third party references attesting to my character, integrity and credibility too. You have none of those Mr. Hof.

Bottom line: Your staff scammed me. I was only willing to pay $200 or $300 at most. They agreed to $300 and then charged me another $1200 AGAINST my will. I swear to God that I did NOT agree to any of it. They broke the deal and lied and tricked me. I swear it.

They should not go unpunished for this. And I will make sure that justice prevails. That’s a promise. Truth is on my side. Not yours. Just accept the facts Mr. Hof. Stop trying to misportray what happened.

Do the right thing Mr. Hof. Fix the scam that happened. I’m not paying $1500 for 45 min of bad sex that is not even GFE. No way jose.

If you continue to avoid the truth and justice, I will put my story on RipoffReport.com and also on the forum sex-in-nevada.net, which has been recommended to me as well.

If you continue to avoid the truth Mr. Hof, your business and its reputation will continue suffering the consequences. You will lose business, more than the $1500 I was robbed of.

Crime doesn’t pay, Mr. Hof. You can’t win against the truth.

I swear on the Bible that my version of what happened is the TRUTH, and Mr. Hof’s is not.

Thank you for your attention.

Also, check this out. Someone from the Sex in Nevada forums found my blog and told me to post my story there. It seems that the guys there hate Dennis Hof as well. When I looked at the threads about him there, I found this one. Apparently, Dennis Hof has a pattern of jipping his brothel girls of their last paycheck when they quit. What a stingy bastard. See below.Dennis Hof Refuses to Pay $1400 to Former Working Girl
http://sex-in-nevada.net/smforum/index.php?topic=13760.0
Update:
I just posted this RESOLUTION PROPOSAL on the BBB website to Dennis Hof:

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PROPOSED RESOLUTION

To Dennis Hof:

I would like to propose a resolution to our dispute.

But first, let me ask you this: Guys are horny all the time and it’s very difficult to get free sex in America, at least for average looking guys. So do you really expect that whenever a guy is horny, that he has to go to one of your brothels and spends $1000+ each time? lol. Most guys would be broke in no time. Be realistic man. Sex is NOT supposed to cost that much. That’s why in Europe it is priced at a SANE REASONABLE price.

No guy can afford to spend $1000+ every time he’s horny, whether it’s every week, every month or even every few months. Come on. Get real dude. That is so totally UNFAIR. You are so out of touch with reality you know that? What do you expect? That a guy goes broke or bankrupt just because he’s horny, which is a natural thing? lol. Man you are so WARPED. I swear. And you are 100 percent UNFAIR too. Do you realize that?

Anyhow, here is my proposed resolution:

How about you refund HALF of my money, which is about $750, plus another $300 for the many hours I wasted putting up these websites to get my stolen money back? Then we will consider this dispute SETTLED.

What do you say? Do you accept this offer?

Otherwise, the sites I’m going to put up on RipoffReport and other forums are going to do major damage to your reputation and business. Guaranteed.

Again, I swear to God that I REALLY REALLY REALLY WAS SCAMMED at your business. If I wasn’t, I would not be fighting this vehemently. Think about it.

Hope you accept my resolution offer.

Thanks.

Dennis Hof finally responds to my complaint on the BBB website

 

Update:

Check this out. Dennis Hof finally posted a response to my complaint case on the BBB (Better Business Bureau) website. Here is what he wrote:

 

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Lets start with a google search of winston exposed.

wu stated he was here 10 years ago and the price went up, yes it has and he had 2 girls

mr wU has good taste he picked 2 girls that have been both featured in Penthouse Magazine, One Six Shades & Channel

They charged wu $400 for 2 girls 1/3 of the normal cost.

wu rebooked for another $400 30 minutes later for another 30 minutes, way below market price because he promised to keep the party going .

Wu rebooked again for $300

Wu rebooked for another $402

At any time Wu could have stopped the party. He signed all of the credit card receipts in front of our shift mrg , this is Standard operating procedure.

If wu wanted to stop the sexual experience he could have said no or not signed the credit card slips.

he went on yelp and said terrible things like, in the illegal sex world i can get this. in third world countries in can get this.

The Bunnyranch is not illegal and we are not in a third world country. these are 2 vey pretty girls that have both been featured in Penthouse magazine and we feel he got more than his money worth.

HE COULD HAVE STOPPED ANYTIME HE WANTED TO AND DIDN’T.

wu not only signed each receipt he initialed each addition charge slip, that is why the credit card people would not reverse the charges.

wu made a purchase and is just looking for a way not to pay.

I did not accept his resolution of course, since he offered none. So I posted this follow up reply to him on the BBB website to correct the errors and inaccuracies in his story.

https://reno.ebindr.com/complaint/response/11031400/c/u8xh3p

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The above response was obviously posted by the owner of the Bunny Ranch, Dennis Hof. I recognize his writing style. Anyone can see from his writing that he is uneducated.

Dennis, thanks for responding finally, but your account of the facts is inaccurate and full of errors. You were not even there when it happened. I will make the key corrections below.

Now Dennis, I hope you will accept the true facts of the case so you can see that I indeed was deceived and scammed, and that we need to come to a middle ground resolution on this. It’s simply wrong to steal money from a client. It is not right that these girls are rewarded with $1500 for scamming me and lying me, while I am out of $1500, which is a lot of money, esp for bad sex.

Corrections and Facts to Dennis Hof’s response:

1. I did not get 30 min for the initial $300 payment. I got about 10 minutes of “foreplay”. Then a buzzer sounded and they said time was up.

Even the credit card company said that all those receipts were timed at 15 minutes apart. That’s what their computers say. You can ask them yourself. You can’t argue with their computer. Computers don’t lie. And neither do I.

2. The girls told me that the $300 was for “everything you wanted”. They used those exact words. I swear it. A session is about one hour or until the client finishes. There was NO misunderstanding about this. They deliberately led me to believe that it was $300 for “everything”. That’s what they said.

As I told you before, they had to deceive me into thinking that the $300 was for everything, because otherwise I would have refused and the deal would have been off.

Obviously, I would NEVER agree to $300 for 10 minutes of foreplay. Duh. No one would agree to that. NO ONE would. That’s why they had to lie. Why would anyone agree to that? Use your common sense.

3. The average price for p4p (pay for pleasure) in America is $200. It’s been so for almost 20 years. And it still is the average price too. If you go to any escort site in the US, you will find that $200/hr is the average rate.

That’s what I was willing to pay. At most, I was willing to pay up to $300. But not for ten minutes. No way. It was for the usual session of one hour. That was our understanding.

But these girls wanted at least $1000. I said no way. Why should I pay $1000 when I have always paid $200 in the USA and Canada? No way jose.

So they resorted to trickery. It’s very simple. They scammed me and lied to me. There was NO MISUNDERSTANDING here. They were not innocent.

4. The fraudulent $1500 transaction was NOT done in mutual agreement at all. It was NOT done under mutual consent. If it was, I would not be disputing this vehemently. I do not agree to something by my own free will and then dispute it later. Why would I do that? I have thousands of credit card transactions and the ONLY ones I dispute are the dishonest fraudulent ones, or when I did not receive what was promised.

5. Sex is not worth $1000. If you think it is Dennis, then you are delusional and out of touch with reality. Nowhere else charges that much.

6. I did NOT choose Chanel. I chose Six Shades. Chanel came uninvited. When I asked her to leave, she refused, saying that Six only does “parties” with her around. Thus Chanel does not deserve anything. She was uninvited and refused to leave. I did not want to pay for her. Thus I am not obligated to pay her. And hence I did not “choose two girls” as you claimed. I only chose one.

7. Dennis, you got the numbers mixed up. The first charge was for $300. The next three charges were for $400. You can check the receipts and see. Each of those $400 charges only lasted for about 10 or 15 minutes. Definitely not 30 minutes. I can promise you that.

8. I did not agree to the additional $1200 charges and I was unwilling to sign the additional receipts for them. Chanel took my credit card out of my wallet against my will to swipe it. She argued with me about it aggressively. I refused to sign the additional charges since we had a deal of $300, which they broke by only giving me 10 minutes of foreplay, rather than “everything” like they promised.

But I was not allowed to leave the premises without signing. The two girls and the cashier used borderline coercion. I do not like confrontation or violence, so I did not want to fight them. Thus the signatures were obtained under DURESS which technically renders them invalid.

To Dennis Hof:

Dennis, please get real here and accept the truth. If all this was mutual and consensual, do you think I’d be disputing it vehemently? Of course not. Think about it. The fact is, I was scammed, tricked and lied to, plain and simple. There’s no way around it.

Thus you must take responsibility for your employee’s misconduct and misbehavior and right the wrong. You are OBLIGATED to resolve this dispute and scam. It’s common sense.

You seem to have no ethics or conscience. But like everyone told me, “Well what did you expect from a brothel owner?” They are right. It is not realistic to expect a brothel owner to be fair or ethical. But the truth is still the truth. I was SCAMMED, which is a FACT, and you have a moral obligation to fix it and resolve it.

Remember, this was NOT a case of buyer’s remorse. I never agreed to such a deal of $1500 in four charges. NEVER. If I did, I would not be disputing it and I would not be angry that I was scammed and cheated. Duh.

In contrast to you, I have a lot of credibility and references from third party sources. Anyone can check my online bio and see. Thus I’m a far more credible and honest source than you. Moreover, you weren’t even there the night I was scammed.

Dennis, do what’s right. Or karma will come get you. It always does.

Already I’ve put up three webpages about you to expose the wrong you did in refusing to return stolen money. See the URL’s below:

http://bunnyranchscam.blogspot.com
https://bunnyranchscam.wordpress.com
http://blog.happierabroad.com/2014/05/dennis-hof-criminal-owner-who-refuses.html

Next I will be putting up webpages about you on RipoffReport.com. Once there they will be PERMANENT. Not even I can remove them after they are posted. Do you want that? If not, then let’s resolve this fairly and amicably. Stop making it worse by ignoring me and refusing to answer my emails.

All good businesses respond to disputes and are willing to discuss them. It is a very bad sign that you are not. Only guilty people avoid resolving a dispute.

Do what’s right man. Or else my webpages and the pages that I will put on RipoffReport.com, will cost you a lot of business, more than the $1500 that was scammed and stolen from me. So if you are smart, you will try to resolve this before any more damage is done to your name and business.

You can’t get away with scamming me Dennis. We gotta come to some middle ground here that’s fair.

I await your resolution proposal Dennis.

Thanks.

 

Here is my addendum reply to him on the BBB website:

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To Dennis Hof:

Dennis, one more thing. At the very least, you MUST refund my initial $300 payment, because the girls did NOT deliver on what was promised for that amount. They offered one hour of sex for that $300, in order to prevent me from leaving. But in actuality, it was only about 5 minutes of warm-up foreplay. It might have been up to 10 minutes, but in my memory, it was closer to 5 minutes.

Now you know that there is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE between 5 minutes and 60 minutes right? Anyone does. If you don’t, then you need to return to grade school. Either way, stop denying the facts.

The point is, they LIED and did NOT deliver on their promise. So at the very least, you owe me that $300 since they totally broke the agreement. That’s a 100 percent FACT!

Additionally, when they charged the additional $400 after 5 or 10 minutes, they also PROMISED again that it would be for one hour. Yet AGAIN they broke it and in fact it was only 15 minutes at most.

So they lied twice, first for the $300 charge and then for the $400 charge they added minutes later. Do you understand?

There is no way around it Dennis. You can’t weasel out of this. The facts are the facts. They did not give me the hour they promised, only 5 minutes, followed by 15 minutes for each of the $400 charges they made against my will.

That’s what happened. Honestly. I swear. Stop trying to spin it. Even if I’m guilty for not stopping it, still, your girls LIED MAJORLY and DID NOT DELIVER on what they promised.

Thus you cannot just give them zero penalty for that. No way dude. They did WRONG and scammed me and thus I have a legitimate complaint and dispute that needs to be resolved.

Bottom line: At the very least, you owe me that $300 they renegged on, and to be fair, the $400 afterward too, since they renegged on that too.

We need to come to some middle ground about this Dennis. Otherwise, you will have a permanent record on RipoffReport.com, which will show up at the top of Google rankings and cause significant losses in your business.

You need to punish the guilty parties. It’s your job and duty. SO DO IT!

I await your resolution and proposal.

Thank you.

 

Did you notice in Dennis Hof’s last response to me on the BBB website, that he claimed that I got a bargain for $1500? WTF? lol. He claims that $1500 for 45 min of bad sex that’s not even GFE is a bargain! What a delusional twit and scumbag.

I forgot to respond to that, so I added this comment on my BBB complaint page.

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To BBB:

Why do you give this company a rating of A-? They do not answer my emails and do not respond to disputes nor discuss them. That’s a very bad sign. Every normal business is willing to discuss disputes and propose a compromise. Only this one isn’t. That’s a sign of guilt, not innocence. They scammed me AGAINST my will out of $1500 and their owner doesn’t care. Very bad sign. It’s obvious these are scumbags and sociopaths. They deserve an F rating, definitely not A-. You need to revise that.

To Dennis Hof:

I just read your response again and laughed at the part where you said I got a bargain for $1500. Are you really that delusional? $1500 for bad sex is NOT a bargain at all. No one thinks that.

Let me educate you on some facts, so listen up.

Sex does NOT cost $1000+ anywhere, and is NOT worth that much anywhere either. The standard rate for sex in America is $200, more or less, and has been for many years. But not $1000. No way. Maybe Pamela Anderson could charge that much. But not a brothel girl. No way.

In Germany, sex is under $100. In Poland, it’s $30. In Holland at Amsterdam, it’s $50. In USA and Canada, it’s about $200. Not $1000. Get that through your head.

One of the strippers at Squeeze and Play told me that you went to Holland and noted that the prices there for sex were $50.

Well guess what? Holland, Germany and Poland are NOT third world countries, so your statement that sex is cheaper than $1000 only in third world countries is false, even by your own experience in Holland.

Anyhow, the point is that sex in the USA is worth around $200. So there’s no way I’m paying $1500 for it. I never agreed to that price. Your staff took it by force and trickery, so they committed a CRIME. YOU are RESPONSIBLE for that. Get it?

Lesson in logic for you: Just because you raise the price from $200 to $1000+ doesn’t make it worth that much. That would be like me raising the price of bubble gum from 50 cents to $1000. Even if I did, it still wouldn’t be worth that much. Saying so doesn’t make it so.

You got that? I just gave you some free education in the real world here and a free lesson in basic logic. So you owe me for that. lol.

Now get down to earth and propose a solution and return the money your staff scammed AGAINST my will. Your response did not contain any proposal or compromise at all. You need to provide one. Please do so.

Remember that the universe has a perfect karmic accounting system. No debt goes unpaid. So pay up. Do what’s right.